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Susan Linehan's avatar

One thing I never understood about the use of Title 42 in the first place is that Section 265 talks about the INTRODUCTION of a communicable disease. By the time it was invoked, that bird had flown the coop. It seems possible that the dangers of "transmission" also mentioned flowed rather TO the immigrants than from them. Did anyone ever do a study of whether and how many the border crossers brought Covid into the country, as opposed to catching it here?

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Sandra Quinn's avatar

You don’t know what chagrin is. I was interested in reading your exquisition until I encountered your misuse of the word “chagrin.” Struggling to understand what you meant broke the reading flow. The misuse of this word is becoming common, but it is inexcusable and casts doubt on your analysis. You use words you don’t know the meaning of, and to make it worse, you did it in a parenthetical comment. That’s just sloppy.

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Stephanie Bamberger's avatar

According to Collins Dictionary, chagrin is defined as “a feeling of disappointment, upset, or annoyance, perhaps because of your own failure.”

Steve’s use of chagrin seems like it meets the definition, even if there’s no failure on his part.

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jk's avatar

I’ve muted Prof Quinn. Life’s too short for pedantic silliness that’s also fundamentally wrong.

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Sandra Quinn's avatar

Without the failure, shame, or embarrassment part there is no chagrin, don’t you see? Look up examples of its use, not just the definition. Perhaps you might check with a better reference than Collins.

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jk's avatar

The OED definitions and examples support Steven’s use.

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Sandra Quinn's avatar

Please explain how.

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jk's avatar

Read the definitions for the word and the examples given in the OED. It does not mention failure, shame, or embarrassment at all. It mentions acute vexation, annoyance, or mortification.

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jk's avatar

(It does mention failure, but not personal failure. That’s clear in the examples given.)

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jk's avatar

Honesty, though, I can’t post their examples without some queasiness over copyright violations, but it seemed pretty clear to me that his usage is fine. I get the OED for free though my library, so check yours if you don’t have your own sub.

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Sandra Quinn's avatar

What on earth do you think mortification means?

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jk's avatar

What do you think “or” means?

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Tim Margheim's avatar

> I don’t think it is remotely controversial that, among numerous other examples, slavery represented a greater intrusion on civil liberties

This is a guess, but I suspect Gorsuch would say: Slavery was a worse violation of *human* rights - - and it's to our shame that it wasn't a violation of US *civil* rights at all.

In other words, slavery didn't violate any *civil* rights protected under our law. That's a failure of our law, more fundamental than when our officials violate civil rights.

It's a weird, but coherent distinction to make: It seems Gorsuch was focused on officials violating our *legally-protected* rights...During peacetime specifically.

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Tim Margheim's avatar

P.S. The post-14th-Amendment civil rights violations seem to be a better counter to Gorsuch's statement!

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Jack Shanahan's avatar

Thoroughly enjoyed reading Shadow Docket. Thanks for shining a light on such an important (and at least for me, largely incomprehensible) topic. I especially appreciated your analysis of how these decisions relate directly to questions about the Court’s present and future legitimacy.

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