The federal government's authorities to use the military for domestic law enforcement are old, broad, and vague. They may soon become far more relevant than they've been for quite a long time.
It's tough when the Trump regime does so many things that offend common sense but are actually potentially legally viable. It really points out that the most powerful weapon to stop Trump, the political process, is the one that's failed so spectacularly.
There is a certain head-spinning irony in the report on domestic use of the military being due on Easter Sunday... a Christian celebration of the "Prince of Peace."
The Constitution requires the Senate to approve (by a 2/3rds vote) any treaties that the President makes with foreign countries. So how did Trump manage to make an agreement with El Salvador to ship people there to hold them in prison? Aren't all agreements with foreign countries considered "treaties?" Oh wait -- did Congress give him that blanket authority too, in addition to tariffs?
Did congress approve Guantanamo Bay torture camp that the Bush-Chaney war criminals arranged? Torture for goal to manufacture false confessions and 'information'?
Or how about after israel killed JFK because he prevented israel to build nuclear bombs, did Zionist supported President Johnson that allowed israel to build them, and even use our research and technical information get congress approval? Or approve President Lyndon B. Johnson of having covered up that israel's attack of USS Liberty and murder of many service men?
Or is pro-israel events automatically approved even when they attack and kill our men and material as if they are Supremist and we soulless beasts less then those Masters of our Governments?
Did congress give Obama approval to drone execute USA civilians overseas without do-process or even reasonable cause?
Although I support removal of illegal alien criminals out of country, and if know criminals in other countries than maybe sending them back to serve prison there might be reasonable unless they are political prisoners. Sending the masses illegal aliens to some place is needed - suggestions?
Maybe after borders are locked, sending them to Mexico or Canada, whichever they crossed from, and if flown in by Biden then shipped to his properties and support with food and water as needed, tents also, and when filled-up send to next most power supporter of open-boarders, etc. .. perhaps.
My only suggestion for Tariffs is that they be large enough and guarantee Capital investors that they will be in place long enough to build domestic manufacturing plants and return profits. Consider going after offshore owned corporations of NAFTA Globalist profiters to use those researchers to build or help corporations to build back our industries.
How likely do you think it is that Trump will use federal troops, even if they are to enforce existing laws as the president sees them? Also your point that Congress erred when they trusted that every president would be like George Washington is an excellent one.
Which military soldier or even officer that you know has learned the domestic laws that police are required to know?
Why did 1st President Trump not us this Act to protect populations during the Summer of Flaming Rioting murdering Peaceful Protests after George Floyd died of OD? Recall that those democratic run hell-holes were not trying to stop them and even police in their department buildings were under attack. The wages and fruits of stoking anti-white racism that Obama started up for power and those Democrats were helping increase.
Sending in military to suppress riots and protect the people living there, and arrest and drag to Federal prison all governors and local mayors and other gov peoples that were not enforcing laws seemed needed.
Why not done?
Was it because the federal government only acts to send billions overseas, increase national debt, work together with corporations to censor and impoverish us, send good men to die for israel, and suppress and abuse us domestic populations and no to ever help us when others in State fail to even try?
Does your explanation imply that even when the PCA was passed as part of a package deal [a sop to the South] to settle a contested presidential election... the president could still have invoked the Insurrection Act to supply the troops necessary to go to the South to support Reconstruction... or did I misunderstand the relationship between the two?
Mr. Chandler interestingly comments about Martin v Mott. Hoover removed the Bonus Army from the Mall. Was the Insurrection Act cited as authority at the time?
Military follows chain of command. Opposing the Commander in Chief, particularly with a sympathetic DoD command structure (SecDef. Jt Chiefs), DC Natl Guard, and DoJ, it is problematic for soldier(s). Courts seem academic, unless the President caves. President has immunity while in office and afterwards for his official acts.
Refusing to pay our citizens that served and risked death when most likely lost friends and brothers in WWI, many at mall crippled body or mind, and they and families in need. Sent presant army to look into the eyes of desprate men that they will likely join when they discharged and shafted.
Remember after legalize Birth-control crippled the souls of womanhood that saw, sexually used, abused, and disposed of men as if they and her were soulless meat-machine with one foot in grave and infinite nothingness instead of potential glorious Holy souls made in the image of God, manhood that supported everyone and the nation, the fountain of real Love unlike their sick limited conditional love that soon would allow them to murder our babies, and so the Vietnam War conscripts that returned crippled in mind-body-soul and homeless and abandoned by our nation and the once heart of Nation, womanhood, that changed and since Vet homeless couldn't give her and them anything and were to miserable to screw and dispose-of decided that since they didn't have the decency to die overseas, that homeless somewhere they need not see them would have to do.
Remember how Vietnam veterans were treated by our now putrid black heart of Nation and our Gov?
The false WMD reasoned war or Aggression against Iraq for israel? Military sent without body-armor or enough ammo? Even with near Trillion budget the Federal Gov serves israel first, military contractors of expensive often unusable shiny weapon systems, and very very last is equipping our sons, brothers, grandsons that volunteered to Serve us and protect us or whatever lies the Gov. narrative said and they believed, go fight terrorism that attack on 9-11 in NYC that somehow willed Building 7 to collapse, and willed invisible plane into Budget Audit location in Pentagon building.
Those service men (and few women) that did not die but were injured were suffered to rot-away in Veterans hospitals that could not handle the loads of seriously injured now puss-covered gang-green spreading near-death Veterans, most over worked medical people, nurses, wished they had the decency to die overseas, as likely did all the Federal Gov. Remember?
So many more examples and reasons not to join, like the handshake promise to Russian that NATO will not expand towards Russia, not a honorable Nation of Men whose World in their Bond, but a feminized back-stabbing divorce-raping honorless lying Sick Womanhood nation that will use, abuse, murder or dispose of us all when fun or profitable.
Please limit your comments to the legal issue. It was meant for Prof Vladeck. It was whether President Hoover used the Insurrection Act or acted under other legal authority to have the US military clear the Mall of the remaining members of the Bonus Army. You might also want to read the history of the Bonus Army, as it is more complex (particularly given Congressional politics and economics) then the moral issue at the heart of your comment.
The SCOTUS trivia section was very interesting. In a post-Trump scenario that (hopefully) does not end in creeping authoritarianism or full-on dictatorship :) , do you think it would be prudent to enshrine the original standard that Washington obeyed into the Constitution via constitutional amendment to prevent abuses?
You say that there should be an Order List at 9:30am next Monday and then the Court would commence the April sittings. Next Monday is Easter Monday - is that observed as a federal public holiday?
Interesting. Of course, SCOTUS did legalize the insane Satanic evil as National Religion back in 1973, insane evil as normal, that mothers could hire Witches and their minions to torture our brothers sisters sons daughters grandsons .. to death, they silently screaming as legs ripped off, all on the whim of her. Remember?
So, SCOTUS Observe our Real God of Mercy and Love - no!, not when the Talmud's Demonic gods might punish them, I suppose.
How about the most major Jewish holidays, Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)?
It's tough when the Trump regime does so many things that offend common sense but are actually potentially legally viable. It really points out that the most powerful weapon to stop Trump, the political process, is the one that's failed so spectacularly.
The political process passed the laws Trump is using. Only now do I hear complaints…
There is a certain head-spinning irony in the report on domestic use of the military being due on Easter Sunday... a Christian celebration of the "Prince of Peace."
The Constitution requires the Senate to approve (by a 2/3rds vote) any treaties that the President makes with foreign countries. So how did Trump manage to make an agreement with El Salvador to ship people there to hold them in prison? Aren't all agreements with foreign countries considered "treaties?" Oh wait -- did Congress give him that blanket authority too, in addition to tariffs?
Did congress approve Guantanamo Bay torture camp that the Bush-Chaney war criminals arranged? Torture for goal to manufacture false confessions and 'information'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
Or how about after israel killed JFK because he prevented israel to build nuclear bombs, did Zionist supported President Johnson that allowed israel to build them, and even use our research and technical information get congress approval? Or approve President Lyndon B. Johnson of having covered up that israel's attack of USS Liberty and murder of many service men?
Or is pro-israel events automatically approved even when they attack and kill our men and material as if they are Supremist and we soulless beasts less then those Masters of our Governments?
Did congress give Obama approval to drone execute USA civilians overseas without do-process or even reasonable cause?
Although I support removal of illegal alien criminals out of country, and if know criminals in other countries than maybe sending them back to serve prison there might be reasonable unless they are political prisoners. Sending the masses illegal aliens to some place is needed - suggestions?
Maybe after borders are locked, sending them to Mexico or Canada, whichever they crossed from, and if flown in by Biden then shipped to his properties and support with food and water as needed, tents also, and when filled-up send to next most power supporter of open-boarders, etc. .. perhaps.
My only suggestion for Tariffs is that they be large enough and guarantee Capital investors that they will be in place long enough to build domestic manufacturing plants and return profits. Consider going after offshore owned corporations of NAFTA Globalist profiters to use those researchers to build or help corporations to build back our industries.
Sound Good?
Doesn't Martin v. Mott make the decision of the president to "call forth the militia" in the words of that case unreviewable by a court?
How likely do you think it is that Trump will use federal troops, even if they are to enforce existing laws as the president sees them? Also your point that Congress erred when they trusted that every president would be like George Washington is an excellent one.
Thank you for this valuable information!
Which military soldier or even officer that you know has learned the domestic laws that police are required to know?
Why did 1st President Trump not us this Act to protect populations during the Summer of Flaming Rioting murdering Peaceful Protests after George Floyd died of OD? Recall that those democratic run hell-holes were not trying to stop them and even police in their department buildings were under attack. The wages and fruits of stoking anti-white racism that Obama started up for power and those Democrats were helping increase.
Sending in military to suppress riots and protect the people living there, and arrest and drag to Federal prison all governors and local mayors and other gov peoples that were not enforcing laws seemed needed.
Why not done?
Was it because the federal government only acts to send billions overseas, increase national debt, work together with corporations to censor and impoverish us, send good men to die for israel, and suppress and abuse us domestic populations and no to ever help us when others in State fail to even try?
Does your explanation imply that even when the PCA was passed as part of a package deal [a sop to the South] to settle a contested presidential election... the president could still have invoked the Insurrection Act to supply the troops necessary to go to the South to support Reconstruction... or did I misunderstand the relationship between the two?
The quote with which you begin your student note could not be more timely -
"The accretion of dangerous power does not come in a day. It
does come, however slowly, from the generative force of
unchecked disregard of the restrictions that fence in even the most
disinterested assertion of authority."
Mr. Chandler interestingly comments about Martin v Mott. Hoover removed the Bonus Army from the Mall. Was the Insurrection Act cited as authority at the time?
Military follows chain of command. Opposing the Commander in Chief, particularly with a sympathetic DoD command structure (SecDef. Jt Chiefs), DC Natl Guard, and DoJ, it is problematic for soldier(s). Courts seem academic, unless the President caves. President has immunity while in office and afterwards for his official acts.
Refusing to pay our citizens that served and risked death when most likely lost friends and brothers in WWI, many at mall crippled body or mind, and they and families in need. Sent presant army to look into the eyes of desprate men that they will likely join when they discharged and shafted.
Remember after legalize Birth-control crippled the souls of womanhood that saw, sexually used, abused, and disposed of men as if they and her were soulless meat-machine with one foot in grave and infinite nothingness instead of potential glorious Holy souls made in the image of God, manhood that supported everyone and the nation, the fountain of real Love unlike their sick limited conditional love that soon would allow them to murder our babies, and so the Vietnam War conscripts that returned crippled in mind-body-soul and homeless and abandoned by our nation and the once heart of Nation, womanhood, that changed and since Vet homeless couldn't give her and them anything and were to miserable to screw and dispose-of decided that since they didn't have the decency to die overseas, that homeless somewhere they need not see them would have to do.
Remember how Vietnam veterans were treated by our now putrid black heart of Nation and our Gov?
The false WMD reasoned war or Aggression against Iraq for israel? Military sent without body-armor or enough ammo? Even with near Trillion budget the Federal Gov serves israel first, military contractors of expensive often unusable shiny weapon systems, and very very last is equipping our sons, brothers, grandsons that volunteered to Serve us and protect us or whatever lies the Gov. narrative said and they believed, go fight terrorism that attack on 9-11 in NYC that somehow willed Building 7 to collapse, and willed invisible plane into Budget Audit location in Pentagon building.
Those service men (and few women) that did not die but were injured were suffered to rot-away in Veterans hospitals that could not handle the loads of seriously injured now puss-covered gang-green spreading near-death Veterans, most over worked medical people, nurses, wished they had the decency to die overseas, as likely did all the Federal Gov. Remember?
So many more examples and reasons not to join, like the handshake promise to Russian that NATO will not expand towards Russia, not a honorable Nation of Men whose World in their Bond, but a feminized back-stabbing divorce-raping honorless lying Sick Womanhood nation that will use, abuse, murder or dispose of us all when fun or profitable.
Please limit your comments to the legal issue. It was meant for Prof Vladeck. It was whether President Hoover used the Insurrection Act or acted under other legal authority to have the US military clear the Mall of the remaining members of the Bonus Army. You might also want to read the history of the Bonus Army, as it is more complex (particularly given Congressional politics and economics) then the moral issue at the heart of your comment.
This also raises the medium-term concern for potential use of the military to ostensibly enforce new federal election laws at polling stations.
There, at least, there are a bunch of statutes that specifically bar troops at the polls...
Thanks Steve.
And don’t forget domestic misuse of federal agency enforcement authority. https://open.substack.com/pub/laguarda/p/stop-police?r=9qil9&utm_medium=ios
The SCOTUS trivia section was very interesting. In a post-Trump scenario that (hopefully) does not end in creeping authoritarianism or full-on dictatorship :) , do you think it would be prudent to enshrine the original standard that Washington obeyed into the Constitution via constitutional amendment to prevent abuses?
What would the arguments be against it, if not?
Thank you!
You say that there should be an Order List at 9:30am next Monday and then the Court would commence the April sittings. Next Monday is Easter Monday - is that observed as a federal public holiday?
Nope. It’s a regular business day for the federal government—including the Court.
Interesting. Of course, SCOTUS did legalize the insane Satanic evil as National Religion back in 1973, insane evil as normal, that mothers could hire Witches and their minions to torture our brothers sisters sons daughters grandsons .. to death, they silently screaming as legs ripped off, all on the whim of her. Remember?
So, SCOTUS Observe our Real God of Mercy and Love - no!, not when the Talmud's Demonic gods might punish them, I suppose.
How about the most major Jewish holidays, Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)?